Friends of the Pool -- Facebook, August 30

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Chris... Thanks for the 6 month info... :-)

RCW 35.61.050
(4) Where the proposed district is located within more than one city, more than one county, or any combination of cities and counties, each city governing body and county legislative authority may be designated to collectively serve ex officio as the board of metropolitan park commissioners through selection of one or more members from each to serve as the board, provided that when creation of the district is proposed by citizen petition, each city governing body and county legislative authority approve by resolution such designation. Within six months of the date of certification of election results approving creation of the district, the size and membership of the board shall be determined through interlocal agreement of each city and county. The interlocal agreement shall specify the method for filling vacancies on the board.
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The law gives them 6 months after the election if it passes to enter into the interlocal agreements.

I think we should put together our own petition for the next election cycle to form a less restrictive, voter accountability, limited Recreation distict to support rebuilding or replacing the Wagner Pool. Give the voters a choice and this would ensure that a pool would stay in Twisp.

I would have a one time levy for cost of rebuild/replace to raise 2.5 million dollars. Then a voter approved 6 year maintenance levy rate of around .10 per thousand to supplement user fees. That would go down as assessed value goes up so taxes would be the same.

Low income familes would be reimbursed for their levy tax payment and free use of pool. Low income rents that go up would be reimbursed at an equal amount to the levy rate tax of the rental home.

Elected Volunteer board commissioners.No pay. Work with FOP if they didn't want to be in charge.

No other projects. Pool only.

Answer voter concerns before election.

No bond debt.

This would support the local community and not be a vehicle to attract "overload" tourism which tends to destroy local culture and communities (This is well documented).
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I would also like to see the wording of the original petition form. May have to get from the auditors office. I sent an email for the info.

The petition text has been removed from their website...

I have this in another thread documenting an early August version of their website...
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Petitions have been submitted to the Okanogan County Auditor’s Office for the formation of the Methow Aquatics District and shall be listed as Proposition 1. Proposition 1 reads as follows:

A petition of the voters has been submitted concerning formation of a metropolitan park district. If approved, this proposition would create a district under chapter 35.61 RCW, to be known as the Methow Aquatics District, to provide ongoing funding to develop, construct, operate, and maintain the Methow Aquatics Center and related existing and future facilities. The District would have the powers provided under chapter 35.61 RCW, excluding eminent domain, but including, among others, to levy regular property taxes up to 75 cents per $1,000 assessed value, and its boundaries would be coterminous with the boundaries of Methow Valley School District 350. The District would be governed by a five member board appointed by the Okanogan County Commission and the Twisp and Winthrop Town Councils as provided by interlocal agreement approved by the three jurisdictions.
So, if an interlocal agreement is not reached, does that prevent the district from forming? Should there have been an interlocal agreement in place before the petition was filed? Interesting legal questions...

And a side note, this is from their website in June...

Where to find a petition, drop in and sign:

We have over 20 business endorsements like Glover Street Market, OSB, Bear Creek Golf Course, and Blue Star Coffee Roasters and many more.

Thank you to our local businesses who value community health, safety, and water fun!!

You can find petitions at the following supporting businesses:
Winthrop: Winthrop Veterinary Clinic and Methow Cycle and Sport
Twisp: 3rd Ave Salon, Poorman Plants
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I cannot find the wording of Prop 1 anywhere. Ray, can you repost that if you have it?

This posted yesterday on their FB page. Sure doesn't mention and indoor aquatics center.

"The Wagner Pool has served our community for 57 years and unfortunately has already outlived its lifespan. Voting yes on Prop 1 will help us keep a public pool in our community that will allow us to have a safe space for kids to gain independence and confidence as swimmers, serve as an indoor airshed during smoky times and a gathering hub for people of all ages all year long."
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Jingles, got it and replied...
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Yes I would expect FOP to go to one of the town to exercise Eminate Domain for the property but it would be one hell of a stretch to say that the taking of the property for a pool is a necessity, at least in a court where the judge wasn't on the take, which excludes Any judge in Okanogan, county.prosecutor is even worse
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Jingles wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:34 am Present the facts and leave out the suppositions about where their playground might or might not be built. We know for a FACT that it is about establishing a MPD and NOT about a pool, be it rehabbing the Wagner pool or building a mega spa unlike anything else anywhere in the country for a community the size we have here.
By telling voters, especially Twisp town residences, that the mega spa would likely be located in Winthrop is in essence stating a fact that the FOP is fooling them in order to gain their support for the MPD.

Fact is, the FOP has never made a definitive statement that a new pool would be located in Twisp. It's also a fact that every statement they've made regarding location has been ambiguous. It's also a fact that the FOP can say they don't want the powers of eminent domain, when in fact they do because they supposedly will be partnered with Twisp and Winthrop and both those towns have that power of eminent domain already.

Also its important for voters to understand that creating a Metropolitan Park District also means other recreational projects that support both the tourist industry and commercial interests, such as commercial guiding climbing gyms in Mazama, will be constructed using property tax payer money.
mister_coffee wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:40 am At this point I'm more worried that the sloppy and amateurish advocacy that we are seeing from FOTP is likely to poison the community to any proposals for a new pool for quite some time in the future. Regardless of the merits of any better proposal.
this issue is not about a community pool, we already have a pool that just needs a bit of work.

Proposition 1 is about the creation of a Metropolitan Park District so let's not confuse the two.

The FOP is already stated in their contradictory letter to the MVN editor that a yes vote on proposition 1 doesn't guarantee a new Mega spa/ pool. That was their we'll listen to the voters after prop 1 passes, not before, statement.

If prop 1 passes, I expect FOP board members BoThrasher and Blue Brady, as newly appointed MPD board commissioners, could look for ways to funnel our tax money to support their vested interests in North Cascade Mountain guides and North Cascade heli skiing. Heck, their husband's Paul Butler and Larry Goldie, who control commercial Mountain guiding in the North Cascades, could even be appointed as MPD board commissioners and those of us tax payers who pay their salaries will have no say in the matter.

This is why it's important to understand prop 1 is about the creation of a Metropolitan Park District. Once that Genie is out of the bottle there's no putting it back.
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At this point I'm more worried that the sloppy and amateurish advocacy that we are seeing from FOTP is likely to poison the community to any proposals for a new pool for quite some time in the future. Regardless of the merits of any better proposal.
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I think the best information to be gotten out to the local voters is that proposition 1 is not about a pool, be it Wagner pool or the mega spa, it is about establishing an uncontrolled ,good ole boy, taxing authority that would have the authority to tax at will, to do and build as they please WITHOUT prior voter consent/approval.

Personally I don't give a rats arse if they build it at the old Silver site, I don't agree with an unelected board having uncontrolled ability to spend money they acquired under false pretenses which is exactly what they are trying to do saying it is all about the pool and not about establishing the MPD.
Time to name names, publish quotes from letters, and if need be warm up the tar pots and fluff the feathers, train rails still runs through Pateros.

Present the facts and leave out the suppositions about where their playground might or might not be built. We know for a FACT that it is about establishing a MPD and NOT about a pool, be it rehabbing the Wagner pool or building a mega spa unlike anything else anywhere in the country for a community the size we have here.
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Notice that once again the FOP doesnt say please keep a public pool in Twisp. They said instead, "Please help us keep a public pool in our community."


No doubt in my mind that this mega pool/spa would be located in Winthrop next to all the tourist and existing recreational facilities, such as ski/walking trails, fat bike trails and ice rink. It will be located next to the ice rink or nearby on State-owned Land that is part of the fish hatchery. If the State doesn't want to give that land up, the town of Winthrop would have no problem condemning that land and claiming it by eminent domain and put that land into public use which is their right by law. see RCW 8.12. 030

There is a lot support, even from opponents of Proposition 1 to continue having a pool operational in Twisp. A one time excess levy could raise enough money to make that happen. But prop 1 isn't about a pool.

Proposition 1 is about establishing a Metropolitan Park District to develop tourist based recreational facilities in Winthrop and Mazama which is the center of recreation in our Valley. Twisp is the designated service community.

Don't believe me? Ask the FOP to commit to Twisp for the Mega Spa before the election. Everything else they write is just a sales pitch designed to win the FOP board unchecked power and control of a enormous amount of our money as MPD commissioners. Interesting that the FOP has chosen to use scare tactics telling community members that there will be no pool, no swimming without a Metropolitan Park District. That just is not true.

Ironically, the best way for citizens of Twisp to keep a pool in Twisp is to vote no on Proposition 1.
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I am not a campaign advisor by training, but it seems that one might want to use fewer big words to sway voters to your cause.

And maybe dial back the use of outdoor pool images if your focus is on an indoor aquatic center.

'Just saying . . . .

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Please help us keep a public pool in our community.

Public pools are instrumental in promoting water accessibility. They provide a supervised environment for people of all backgrounds to enjoy swimming and aquatic activities and give communities the opportunity to change their relationship with water.

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